LGR – Choosing a Retro Gaming PC: What to Look For

[♪ Music Intro and Keyboard Typing noises ♪] [♪] Greetings, and welcome to an LGR thing and today, I would like to answer a very broad topic. It’s a question or set of questions that I get asked *all* the time, ever since
I’ve started LGR, and that is “What classic computer should I buy?”
Like I wanna get into playing old computer games, How do I do it? What’s the best way for me? And you know what, that’s just such a deep topic that
goes all over the place that it’s really hard to answer. I attempted to do this seven or eight years ago
with a video titled “What DOS PC Should You Buy?” And while there are several things that I mentioned
there that are still going to be brought up here, ’cause they’re still relevant, there are several of the items that I would like to talk
about that have gotten more expensive or harder to find and beyond that, I don’t want you to just take
my word for it, so I have asked *nine* other YouTubers to be a part of this video and
give their input on the topic. These are not only all channels that
I totally recommend and watch all the time, but I know that they’re active in coming up with solutions
to the kind of problems that we’re gonna be discussing today. So the questions I asked each of them was
what is your *go-to solution* for playing old PC games, whether it be earlier Windows games or DOS games, pretty much anything
from 1981 to 2001 or so. Yeah, there are just a lot of topics to cover
and a variety of issues, so let’s get right to it! So for this video, we’ll be assuming
that your goal is retro gaming, and for that, you’ll really want to ask the question,
“What do YOU want to do with an old PC?” or whatever solution that you happen to come up with
because different games are gonna require different things. And in regards to this, the most frequent
questions that I get about this are: Should I stick to pre-made computers from back in the day? Classic hardware from Compaq or
Hewlett Packard or Dell or whoever. Or should I customize a slightly later machine
with more modern components, and then install stuff as needed
for compatibility with older games? Or should I build my own classic computer
from scratch using spare parts? Or should I maybe just skip all of that altogether and stick
to emulation and virtual machines or buying games off of GOG? Before we get to that, my personal go-to pick for
an old computer that I like to play old games on is the LGR Woodgrain 486. I mean, that’s why I built it here on the channel after all. It serves my goal of imitating
my first PC that I had as a kid, but it also has all the bells and whistles
that I lusted after back in the day. And it’s also covered in woodgrain! *Chuckles* Which, granted, you know, I customized that and
made that happen myself, but uh, you know, I like that. And it also serves as a base for playing with early to
mid ’90s upgrades, because I just don’t like to leave it static. I like to swap parts out and see what can be done in terms
of appropriate hardware and software from the mid ’90s. As it’s configured right now though,
it is a 66 megahertz AMD 486, a DX2 CPU, has 16 megabytes of RAM, a 1 megabyte Diamond Speedstar Pro VLB video card, a Creative Sound Blaster Pro 2.0 sound card, 1.2 meg 5¼ floppy drive and
1.44 meg 3½ disk drive, a 4x CD-ROM drive, and it also has a flash card interface
for convenient file transfers. You can do this either by CompactFlash
or SD cards or any number of other solutions. And all of this is connected to
an AOpen VI15G Socket 3 motherboard, with 256K of L2 cache installed and
a standard CR2032 button battery. And that’s actually one big reason I chose
this board is because many batteries on a lot of these older computers are gonna
have something that’s gonna leak. Look for one with a modern battery
that is less prone to leaking. And something else that is absolutely not required
but I happen to like it on these older machines, is this green display here, which shows
the current speed of the computer in megahertz. This paired with a turbo button is extremely useful, because a lot of games in the early ’90s
and late ’80s looked for a slower CPU, and the turbo button, you enable that,
and it’s going to slow down your computer. What it does exactly is gonna vary depending on
the computer you have, but generally, it slows things down. I’ve done an entire video about this in the past,
so if you’re curious, you can check that out. As for the operating system,
this thing runs MS-DOS 6.22, but I also have another CompactFlash card
that I swap out with Windows 3.11 on there. But the thing is though, it doesn’t stop there!
This computer is great for a lot of things, but there are games earlier and later and even
around the same time that are way more picky and… this is just not going to work with it,
or at least it won’t be ideal. I keep several early IBM PC
compatibles hooked up for older games, like original IBM PCs with
a 4.77 megahertz 8088 and some with a 8 megahertz, 286 CPU. These can be very valuable for early
’80s games, throughout around 1987 or so, and as far as sound,
*Chuckles* there’s not much. These just come with a PC speaker,
or in the case of my IBM AT, an AdLib card. Yes, just the original AdLib, which
gives you that twangy FM synthesis sound. And it’s also worth noting that if you get many, many later
cards that are compatible with the Sound Blaster standard, they’re gonna give you that AdLib FM synth sound,
either in OPL2 or in OPL3 or something emulating it. A slight step up from these are
the 386 machines that I keep around, such as these computers that are around
16 to 25 megahertz, a 386 SX or DX. These are amazing for games that run too fast on
even a mid-range 486, but are too slow on a 286 or 8088. Perfect for earlier VGA games and later EGA games, and I usually pair these kind of things
with a Sound Blaster 2.0 or equivalent. I also keep several machines set up with
Windows 3.1 and 95 on there all the time. And these have anything from
a 100 megahertz 486DX4 CPU, all the way up to a 233 megahertz Pentium MMX. Usually with SVGA, a Sound Blaster 16,
or one of those clones from the time period. And finally for later ’90s Windows gaming, I largely stick
to Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP machines. something with around
an 800 megahertz Pentium III, on up to a 2.4 gigahertz Pentium 4,
depending on what I need. Voodoo graphics are what I stick
to for these for the most part, since the supplied 3DFX Glide mode,
which is an incredibly popular thing, is different than Direct3D and OpenGL,
so that’s worth keeping in mind. And some of the later ones I’ll stick
a NVIDIA GeForce 2 or an 8800 Ultra in there. And as far as displays, uh, I typically recommend
going with a CRT if at all possible. It takes up a lot of space,
but the result is fantastic in terms of reproduction of what
the games are originally supposed to look like. And while I do still use certain
older LCDs every so often, it’s only if they’re the right aspect ratio
and don’t do weird things with the scaling because sometimes you can end up with stuff that
looks blurred or the pixels aren’t the correct size. You don’t always have square pixels in these older games. And typically, as far as sound cards go, you do want something
a little better than Sound Blaster 16 for Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows XP. Something like the Aureal Vortex 2, which
provides A3D, a fantastic early 3D standard. I use that in a couple of my machines. And yes, Windows 98 is still built on top of MS-DOS,
so things run quite well in DOS mode for the most part, but you do wanna watch out for compatibility issues
in terms of graphics, sound, and CPU speed. And I’m not really gonna talk about Windows XP,
since it doesn’t really have a proper DOS mode, and that’s getting into DOSBox territory, and you can
start moving onto emulation and virtual machines anyway. With all that being said, though, there are so
many other points of view on these kinds of topics. So, without further ado, let’s get
to our guests in no particular order, and we’re gonna start with Nostalgia Nerd. NN: Hello, my name is Nostalgia Nerd,
and when it comes to DOS gaming, *this* is all I need. This thing being a Compaq Presario 4100. As the name suggests,
under the hood is an Intel DX4, a clock tripled 486, and really,
the crème de la crème of Intel 486 processors. I’ve slotted a Sound Blaster 16 and CD-ROM drive
in mine, as well as upgrading to a whopping 32 megabytes of RAM and
two gigabyte hard drive to create a machine that would have blown the minds
and swollen tear ducts in 1994. This machine is from the era
of gaming I love the most. I could always use a Pentium, but there’s something
about pushing the 486 to its limits that I find pleasing. DOOM runs smooth as silk, and while it might struggle
with some later games, I actually quite like that. It also has a snazzy BIOS menu, and I find the pairing of MS-DOS 6.22 and
Windows 3.11 to be the peak of civilization. Not to mention it’s very aesthetically pleasing to look at, even with a 17 inch CRT plonked on top. All of these things combined make this
my go-to machine for DOS gaming. LGR: Well, as you might imagine, this is
very much a viewpoint that I can get behind. Sometimes a good, decent 486 is really all you need. It’s not the fastest, but it doesn’t need to be.
A lot of times, those limitations can be fun and admittedly, tweaking and getting games to work
that maybe shouldn’t on a slightly slower computer is a lot of the appeal of running games
on older hardware, at least for me. And really, a 100 megahertz DX4 machine is *plenty*,
um, in fact, I’m also very fond of these Compaq Presarios. Presarios or- S- s- sudios or whatever- they’re very cool machines,
I love my model 425 right here. It’s an all in one box, it’s kind of
a great middle ground of having a full size desktop, but
also smaller space it’s taking up and it has a CRT and it’s very capable
with the components inside. But anyway, uh, let’s move on to another point
of view, and that is from Metal Jesus Rocks. MJR: Hey guys, Metal Jesus here. Now, in my retro gaming PC,
I was looking for something that perfectly encapsulated say, 1998 and 1999, something that would run, say,
Battle Bugs and also Septerra Core, and all the rest of these games
that I have behind me here. Something that would run DOS and also Windows 98. So what I ended up doing was starting with this Dell. This is an XPS R400. It has
a Intel Pentium II processor in there. Then we maxed out the motherboard
with 384 megabytes of RAM, I believe. But as you guys know, it’s the video card and the sound card that determine how well all these games play. So, for this machine, we put a 3DFX Voodoo 3 in there,
3000 is the model number, which works flawlessly both
in DOS and in Windows. For the sound card, I decided to
not go with something exotic because again, I’m looking for maximum compatibility both
in DOS and Windows with every game I possibly can. So I went with the standard. I went with the Creative Labs
Sound Blaster 16, and it works great. The final must piece for my machine is
the floppy drive because so many of the games that
I own are on either 3½ or 5¼ floppy. The problem is is that my motherboard will
only take one at a time, so, right now I have a 3½ in there, but
I do have a 5¼ that I can swap out if needed. I’m very happy with it. LGR: Alright, some very good points are brought up here because
sometimes you wanna push it a little bit further than say a 486, and go with something that can also do Windows 98, but when you get into that era, or really, any era,
sometimes you’re gonna just have to compromise. Like, in his case, where he was only able to
run one type of floppy disk at the same time. Sometimes, that can be due to the controller
or the BIOS being used on the computer, other times, you just don’t have
things working how it should, and it’s weird. I dunno, I’ve had that happen on several of
my computers in that sort of late ’90s, early 2000s era. And then, the other thing
to mention there is that uh, while there are external 3½ inch drives for you know,
older computers and more modern ones as well over USB, 5¼ inch, you’re kind of stuck with an internal one. There are some adapters that
let you use 5¼ inch drives on USB, but it’s only a read-only thing for the most part. Eh, writing is odd if you wanted to get it working
externally, so something to keep in mind. Well anyway, next person on the list is
going to be Ancient DOS Games. ADG: So when it comes to DOS gaming, you might think
I’d be the kind of person who prefer to use real hardware. But quite frankly, I just like
emulating it on my Windows 10 machine. Here’s the thing: If you wanna use real hardware for playing DOS games, Sure, it’s a perfectly valid option, it’s just you kinda need
like three different machines to cover the whole gamut. You need something for the ’80s, you need something for
the early ’90s, and you need something for the mid to late ’90s. So, with DOSBox, which is a DOS emulator,
you can just… emulate all of those settings. You can set your machine speed, you can set the type
of video support, you can set up different audio devices. And, you know wat the best part is? Let’s say you wanna play a game with a joystick. If you’re using a real DOS machine,
you’re limited to a four button joystick. But with DOSBox, you have access to pretty much *any* kind of joystick. And the best part is that because
you’re not limited to four buttons, you can just assign any button
to any keyboard key, or heck, put joystick support into a DOS game
that doesn’t even have it. LGR: Well, here we’re starting to get into the DOSBox side
of things, as you might imagine, if you’ve ever seen his show. He’s always talking about all these
different configurations that you can use for every single game that he covers, it’s like this is
the type of thing you’ll want to do to tweak DOSBox, especially when you get to things like joysticks, because
there are an awful lot of extra options for DOSBox, which is nice, because… He’s right, you really do need at least three computers
to get the best situation of these different eras for the ’80s, early ’90s, mid ’90s, and
in my case, a 4th era, the late ’90s – early 2000s. and that’s why I have so many
dozens of PC setups lying around. But, if you don’t wanna do that, DOSBox is great. It’s customizable, expandable even. And there are extra builds other
than just the base DOSBox build, one that I’m quite fond of is DOSBox-SVN. It allows for things like 3DFX support and
all sorts of extra cool stuff like that, and, I mean, there are just plenty of them out there.
I recommend diving into that world of DOSBox spinoffs. Speaking of which, let’s move on to
the next person, which is PushingUpRoses. PUR: When I was young, I had
a Tandy 1000 and a lot of great games for it. but when I upgraded to my Windows machine,
I found I could no longer play them. Compatibility issues were way more prominent
in the ’90s to early 2000s, and when I found DOSBox, I found a brand-new
way to play my old games on my new machines. I would say it’s what got me back into gaming. For a while, I just had all these disks sitting around
collecting dust, because my new machines could not play them. It’s definitely the most accessible
and affordable option, seeing as though it’s free, and for me, it’s the most efficient way
to capture footage for my video work. I also really like ScummVM, which is compatible
with a lot of games both for DOS and for Windows, and it has an easy-to-use interface. Not everyone can afford or is tech-savvy enough
to build an older DOS or Windows machine, so I’m so glad we have options
like DOSBox and ScummVM. That way, everyone has a chance
to enjoy their childhood games, or even games they’ve always wanted
to play and just didn’t have the means. In adulthood, I did pick up a few machines that
I use for both DOS and Windows games, but in terms of what I use
the most, it’s definitely emulation. LGR: Well, absolutely agreeing there too.
I mean, more DOSBox is good DOSBox, because as fun as real hardware can be,
as much as a treat it is, it kind of is a treat, you know?
You really have to commit to it if you want to use it. And, that is a big reason why a lot of people end up just not even going for older hardware
at all and just sticking to DOSBox and.. As you can see, it works for people just *fine*! You know? You have that and you also have other more specialized programs for individual games, like ScummVM, for instance, runs a ton
of LucasArts, Sierra, and all sorts of adventure games right there and they’re often much better results
than what you’d get in DOSBox. Furthermore, there’s things like source ports.
And those are often fan-made projects where they take uh, an existing source or take
the codebase or graphics or assets from the game and then update them to work with
a modern system with a dedicated set of software. It’s just so good now, there’s not really much reason
to not do that, unless you’re trying to go for, you know, “emutating” or uh, experiencing what the machine
would have been like back in the day. But anyway, next person on the list
here we have Brutalmoose! BM: My name is Ian. I run the
YouTube channel Brutalmoose, and when I like to play retro PC games,
I do it on my HP Vectra VL400. It’s a computer that I bought on eBay
and then customized after I got it. It has an Intel Celeron 800 megahertz CPU, the GPU is an NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti 4200, it’s got 512 megabytes of RAM, and the sound card is a Sound Blaster AudioPCI 128, and it’s running Windows 98 Second Edition. I’d love to put a faster processor in there,
but I also kind of don’t know what I’m doing. Uh, so, it’s kind of where it’s at right now. Aside from the upgrade limitations, which may
really just be based around my limited knowledge, it’s been really great to run anything.
It’s a bit big and the horizontal shape is a little bit odd, It’d be better if I had an actual
CRT monitor to put on top of it, uh, but I don’t have the space for that right now, so I just run it to my modern desktop monitor. I like using it a lot more than software emulation,
though that’s just a personal preference. And next up, I’m planning on building
a Windows XP machine to kind of bridge the gap between the Windows 98 games
and the modern games. I need an- I need an in-between right there. Before I do that, though, I should probably learn
more about how to build one of those. Is that- is that all you wanted?
I- I hope that’s good, uh… Yeee- LGR: … Well, one more point here in the favor
of pre-built computers, and I’m totally on board. Getting something like this off of eBay or
wherever is a great option, because usually even if it’s a little bit newer than
the era you’re wanting to play games on, if it’s not going beyond a certain point, it’s still
going to work for the vast majority of games and in fact, the most common
recommendation I give for people is just get a Windows 98 computer, stick some components in there
that are gonna be compatible if you need them, namely the sound card, so
you can get some extra support. However, like he also mentioned,
upgrading is a bit of a concern. And sometimes you’re limited by the form factor, like in the case of these Vectras, which,
I really quite like. I have a lot of them myself, but… sometimes you’re limited by the space
inside of there because it’s all cramped and it’s just not as convenient to work on as a tower.
These horizontal desktops, as nostalgic as I can get for them, they can be a bit of an aggravation to work on internally. That being said, let’s go ahead and
get Retro Man Cave’s perspective. RMC: My go-to classic hardware for playing older games? For me, it starts with the 486 DX2-66. It fits perfectly with the era of
early ’90s games that I like to play. Powerful enough to tackle any game of that time, while not being so fast that
old games without speed limiting don’t run too quickly or can’t easily be resolved. I’m certainly not a purist when it comes to classic hardware.
Nobody has fond memories of single speed CD-ROM drives. I go for the fastest I can put in, and an easily accessible
CompactFlash drive replaces the hard disk. making transferring games to it from
a modern system an absolute breeze. For audio, I’m a fan of the Audition 32,
as advocated on Phil’sComputerLab. It’s fully Sound Blaster compatible,
has great OPL3 sound, and most importantly, has an MPU-401 output port for
my favorite part of the whole setup: the Roland SC-88 for sweet MIDI melodies. With backward compatibility for MT-32
instrument tables but not custom patches, it covers all of my music needs
without breaking the bank on an MT-32. My games never sounded nor played better. LGR: Ahh, more 486 love. It makes my heart… heartened. You know, I dunno. I guess, it really is just
because my first computer was a 486, but… it’s also just because a *ton* of games from
the early to mid-’90s are going to run very well on there, and you also have the ability
to add a few convenient upgrades and… that’s all you need! You know, a CompactFlash setup and
maybe a good sound card, an MPEG card or anything like that, and you’re ready to go!
And of course, a good CD-ROM and eh, I totally agree with him about
not wanting to go with like a 1x or 2x, they’re just too slow to even
be really nostalgically enjoyable, unless you’re trying to demonstrate how crappy things were
*Chuckle* in these early iterations of hardware. Uh, but yeah. That’s just a great setup indeed,
and in fact, also MIDI, he mentioned. Uh, this Roland Sound Canvas,
I absolutely recommend that as well if you can. Uh, you may need a MIDI-compatible
MPU-401 card installed, or you can go for a sound card like
the Audition that he mentioned right there. I have one of those as well and
it does work very nicely with MIDI. You may need to use a program like SoftMPU to get certain programs to work if
they happen to require “intelligent mode,” but I’ve talked about that in previous videos. Either way, awesome setup. Uh, let’s move on though to PhilsComputerLab! PCL: Hey Clint, thank you for having me on your show! Here’s my custom-built 4-in-1 DOS and Windows 98 time machine. It’s based around a Super Socket 7 motherboard, with the AMD K6-III+ processor, which lets you toggle the caches and
CPU multiplier, so you can slow it down to a 386 and play those sensitive
DOS games like Wing Commander, but it also has enough power for
early Windows 3D games like Unreal. The video card I recommend is a 3DFX Voodoo 3. Excellent DOS compatibility, sharp image,
and it supports the Glide API. The Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold and
a MIDI interface card handle the sound. I’ve also routed the CD audio signal
to the back of the computer, as everything goes into an external mixer. And of course, a Roland MT-32 and a Sound Canvas. I mix it up with some modern parts,
so I’m using a modern ATX case, power supply, a GoTek floppy emulator, and an IDE to SATA adapter,
with a drive bay for easy access. So there you have it Clint, you should be able to play
around ten years worth of retro games on this machine. Thank you so much for having me on your show. LGR: So this is a kind of setup that really intrigues me
because I haven’t exactly done it myself yet. And that is a nice mixture of old and new components working together to just make a streamlined,
clean, uh very capable machine without going too fast, without going too slow,
it’s kind of the best of both worlds of uh, modern tech and older classic retro hardware and software. I also like that he mentioned that
you can disable the cache on there and you don’t have to worry about a turbo button or sometimes a turbo button isn’t enough.
I have to disable the cache on my Woodgrain 486 when the turbo button isn’t enough to get say,
Wing Commander, working properly. Games like that can be really tricky on faster hardware. and it’s also a thing where you may uh,
want to run some software on top of that and he didn’t mention it, but
I’ve used Mo’slow and Slowmo and all sorts of other CPU limiting programs in DOS
and Windows 95, with some decent success. Uh, I’ve had less success with
the Windows ones, but uh, the DOS ones like Mo’Slo, yeah,
sometimes that can do the trick. Alright, well, let’s move on to the next
person here and that is The 8-Bit Guy. 8BG: So what’s my favorite MS-DOS gaming machine? Well, ideally I think a 386 or 486 is probably about the right speed to use
for a gaming machine for MS-DOS, but I don’t have a lot of space around my house, so… I don’t really have a room for the full
desktop setup and the CRT monitor and stuff like that, so I tend to like laptops, and um… so this is what I use, this is a 486 laptop and it has the TFT active matrix screen, its resolution is 640×480, so
it’s perfect for MS-DOS games. Now, granted, it doesn’t have
any kind of internal sound card, but… there is a certain charm to listening to the um, the different PC speaker sounds, which pretty much every
MS-DOS game had as a fallback if you didn’t have a sound card. BUT, if I’m not the mood to listen to that, I do have two have
two other options here I sometimes use uh, this is a uh… Covox Sound Device, it plugs into the parallel port,
it works with quite a few games, and uh, this is a brand-new product that I just got, which
gives you AdLib compatibility on the parallel port, so uh, that’s two ways I can help to give me a little bit more
authentic gaming experience on this laptop, but um… Yeah, so this is definitely my
favorite MS-DOS machine. Yeah, this is exactly the kind of thing that I was hoping
that David would dive into his segment, and he did. Uh, laptops and portables. I mean, they’re
a fantastic area for vintage computer exploration! It’s something that I’ve been getting into
more myself in recent years, and I just think it’s really fascinating because even though
you don’t have as much as an upgradability path, you know, it’s not as versatile as a desktop. It does take up a lot less space
and there’s something really fascinating to me about having all these capabilities in
a nice little compact package. Of course, there are obvious downsides like
the sound devices being limited that he mentioned. And then sort of the later ones that often have very good sound chips built in, with AdLib and
Sound Blaster and Wave Blaster compatibility but is also paired with a really bad scaler. So that means that you’re running an older DOS game
or an older Windows game that’s a lower resolution and it tries to scale it up on the screen,
and it looks like garbage. Sure, you can plug in an external monitor, but then you’re kind of
getting beyond the point of using a laptop in the first place. when your concern is space, but Anyway, that being said, uh, laptops are a great option
if you’re looking to get into a vintage computer setup, but don’t wanna commit to a whole lot of space taken up and setup and things like that. And they’re often pretty
affordable, too, if you look around in the right places. And to finish this out here, last but not least, we have
Ross Scott of Ross’s Game Dungeon and Accursed Farms. AF: Hey, Clint! So what do I do to play old games? Well, for DOS, it’s easy. DOSBox handles almost everything. I use the program D-Fend Reloaded as a frontend
to make life easier for configuring everything. Sometimes, I get pops in the sound. *POP* I hate that… but I can usually fight that
by tweaking the values. If a game has MIDI music, sometimes I use
custom soundfonts to make it sound better. BUT, finding the perfect soundfont is the path to madness. For Windows 95 and 98 games,
I first try compatibility mode. That *usually* doesn’t work. After that, I run VMWare with
old Windows installed inside it. For hardware, I don’t use anything special because
honestly, legacy parts make me feel trapped because all parts eventually fail, and I like knowing
I can always play an old game with just off-the-shelf parts. I’m actually worried where we’re heading
for games from the past ten years or so. Even on VMWare for 3D accelerated games, I can’t force features like anisotropic filtering or
antialiasing like back when those games came out. so they can look worse now
than they used to, I hope the industry finds an answer
to this as time goes on. HELP! LGR: AAAHH!!! Oh man, okay, so…
*Chuckles* here’s the thing: Uh, a lot of his reasons for using virtualization,
VMs and emulators and stuff, are the same exact reasons I *don’t* use them, and that is
because some of the things that you want to do on there, they just don’t work very well. You get
weird little bugs as far as video and sound glitches you can’t do uh… AA and things like that,
enhancements you could on original hardware. (At least not yet). And yet, I totally understand why
he doesn’t even want to bother with old hardware. It is kind of restricting and… there is a time limit on this stuff, I mean,
these things are not going to last forever. And sure, there’s a lot of upgrades and uh repairs and sort of refurbishments that you can do
to older hardware to make it last potentially for another couple of decades, but… beyond that, I mean, I don’t know. There’s-
There’s a lot of components that *are* going to die. And the future is genuinely concerning to me
because the virtualization and emulation scene is not quite up to snuff *at all* for things
from around 1996 to 2002 or so on the PC, a lot of those Windows games that are just… completely messed up, especially
those that are 3D accelerated or rely on some sort of weird DirectX
shenanigans and all sorts of other things. It’s a real pain, um, I mean, and something else that he also didn’t
mention is running these games on WINE. It’s odd, a lot of Windows games, the best way to
get them working nowadays is to run Linux. *Laughter* Um, as annoying as VMs and emulators can be to use, it’s still less aggravating and time-consuming than original hardware. I’ve got some confused comments over
the years from people being like, “I wanna get into original hardware because emulators,
or virtual machines, are so uh, irksome to set up” and… You know, man, if you think
those are bothersome, uh… *Chuckles* There- It’s nothing compared to getting
like a 386 or 486 and diving into a world of IRQ conflicts and Config.sys problems
and just memory constraints and everything. It takes dedication and a lot of time
and resources to get into real hardware, and I completely understand if you don’t want to, which is
why I’m glad there are so many more options these days. Well, that’s pretty much it for
this episode of LGR and once again, thank you to everyone who was a part of this. Uh, all these awesome YouTubers
are awesome, so I appreciate it. And also, thank you, the viewers, for sending me all these questions
related to this stuff that hopefully I’ve covered a good majority
of it in this video, or at least, touched on a lot of things.
I know there’s a lot more as well, that’s I just haven’t even gotten to yet, that
probably would make sense for another video entirely. And there’s also the subject of buying these things
and finding old hardware and software and components that we didn’t even really get to! So uh, yeah, leave your questions in the comments and uh, maybe your own setups, and
what’s worked for you and what hasn’t, I would love to hear it and I’m sure
you’re gonna say it anyway, so bring it on! This stuff is endlessly fascinating to me and
I’m sure we’ll be getting to more of it in the future. And if you did enjoy this episode,
then thank you very much! Perhaps you would like to see one of
my others that are linked to right here. And also, be sure to check out the full list of everyone
that was in the video, uh, besides me! *Chuckles* They’re all fantastic as far as
I’m concerned, so check ’em out! Some really good content there,
if you’re not familiar with ’em. And as always, thank you very much for watching.

100 thoughts on “LGR – Choosing a Retro Gaming PC: What to Look For

  1. Considering this is the most-asked question I receive, I hope this video helps those of you that have been requesting the assistance!
    Also, huge thanks to the other YouTubers who added their voice to this episode: Nostalgia Nerd, Metal Jesus Rocks, Pixelmusement, PushingUpRoses, Brutalmoose, RetroManCave, Phil's Computer Lab, The 8-Bit Guy, and Accursed Farms! They brought up lots of stuff I didn't think of, so I am grateful 🙂

  2. Pure quality content for LGR as usual. I've been slowly but surely watching nearly everything LGR has uploaded to youtube over the past year or so. I spend a lot of time working on a computer for a living and find it endlessly fascinating and comforting to watch these nostalgia channels while I work to re-encounter these relics from my youth. Personally I love to see the original hardware. I don't have the time or space to do it my self so it's great to watch other people do it and experience the nostalgia that way. For me it's not just about experiencing the software….it's about re living such a special time of my life where this stuff was so new and exciting to me. Although I do make good use of modern hardware for what I now do for a living, there was something so magical about a time when there were greater technological boundaries. We were experiencing the frontier of a new generation of technology and it felt genuinely optimistic and exciting at the time. I'm glad I was around to experience it and seeing all this old stuff again makes me happy. Thank you LGR, long may the nostalgia continue! 🙂

  3. thin clients are good for dos pc gaming aswell. Especially older models (from 2004 – 2006) are having slower clock speeds – around 200 – 400 mhz…. you may then install windows 98 or so and use the MS dos mode. Upgrade ability is limited tough. Mostly, thin clients have just one expansion slot on a riser card – some even don't hava a rise card at all. hope this helps someone 🙂

  4. Remember the first time you accidentally made the switch to hardware accelerated graphics in a game on your parent's computer, because you didn't really know what it meant? Epic moment.

  5. Thanks for posting this video. Just now stumbled across and watched. Forever trying to keep my Win 95 and Win 3.1 systems running and to enjoy the games they way I first played them back in the 90's. Recently bought a refurbished Win 98 machine but just cannot get into it the way I do with Win 95. I do use Dos Box for many old school games on Steam but something about cranking up the ole 486 dx4 100 and some Spear of Destiny. Thanks to all the channels that participated as I have subscribed to those channels because I am forever looking for computer upgrades and ideas as well as games. Love Dos games and the machines of the early and late 90's. Thanks again.

  6. Nice video. It really starts with the right question: "what do you want to run?"

    As a general rule of thumb it can be said tht the older the hardware ist the more hassle it will be to handle. (like harddrive cable that have no convenient marker which way round to plug them in and much nastier stuff. Also it is a matter of supply and demand, some old stuff is harder and harder to get..

    For really old stuff, like pre VESA graphics games I would probably not bother and just emulate them.
    There are a few things that I would not want to forgo for an old machine:
    – ATX standard mainboard (the older non standard one need specific cases, power supplies, have almost no connectors so you need a ton of ISA or PCI based conroller cards etc etc.
    – PS/2 mouse and keyboard connectors. Finding old keyboards and old mouses gets more difficult by the year, and I really have no idea if tere ever was a serial optical mouse. And ball-mouses, let's be honest – were shit.

  7. This is one of the video I ever seen. Specially for those who just started on retro pc gaming. I have two pc. One is a compaq presario pentium 3 and the other is dell otiplex dx110 pentium 3 as well however the compaq only use windows 98 se and ms dos 6.22 and the dell use two windows one is windows 98se and the other is Windows 2000 sp4 just for early windows games. The only downside is that it cannot play early Ms dos from the 80's since they only run on 8088,8086,286 and 386. Since 486 and pentium are way too fast for them. It depends what kind ms dos you wanna play.

  8. Watching your videos makes me want to rebuild one of my old rigs.. In fact I still have the AMD 486 DX4/100 cpu from my first real gaming pc.. However no motherboard (that got junked years ago)

    My problem is I think my nostalgia covers things from the old DOS LucasArts titles like X-Wing, TIE Fighter, Dark Forces to Jedi Knight, X-Wing vs Tie, Descent, Freespace, Wing Commander IV and then into stuff like Deus Ex, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 etc…

    Agree on the fact that compatability back in the 90s seems to be so weird, I remember upgrading to win 95 and being locked out of playing my old dos games because of incompatibilities

    Another problem I run into is some of my old games are long gone now a days and I'd need to find copies of them

  9. Mine is a 333mhz Pentium 2 with 640mb machine running Windows XP, I tend not to play many old games but it runs all of the ones that I do actually play, and I hope to install an SSD soon so that the old 13gb Quantum drive can retire peacefully.

  10. Why does it have to be "retro" instead of, let's say, "classic?" Retro, to an extent, implies these games and systems are no longer relevant. Let me put it to you like this: Which TMNT cartoon era would you want to watch if you could only watch one? Yeah, it may be more niche these days and a little outdated in terms of where society as a whole is, but it's still good for what it is and what it does, providing quality entertainment and insight. "Nostalgia," in this regard, is a bit of a misnomer.

  11. My first PC was a 386 but always wanted a 486 but then again my bread and butter games were 96-2000 so maybe a Pentium 2 is what I'm looking for.

  12. If you ever do another video like this one, would you please feature The Nostalgia Mall or vwestlife or lmull3? I think it would be awesome to see them being featured in a video with you.

  13. It would be cool if you could do a similar feature on LAN gaming on DOS machines, some of my fondest memories of DOS gaming from the nineties where when we all got together with our machines and set up a LAN to play deathmatches on Duke3D, DOOM, Heretic, Warcraft 2, etc.
    It's been 20 years since last I did such a thing, though I hope to eventually set up a few machines in a network. But it's been so long that I don't really remember exactly how we did it, what network cards to use, how to connect them, if TP networks where the best solution, etc.

  14. I may be kind of an oddity, but I am actually interested in getting a retro PC for game programming. I first learned programming on an Apple IIe and then on my 386 PC. Sometimes I would really love to jump back in and make another game on one of them, or possibly even learn Commodore 64 programming.

  15. For those without any experience, a regular PC with a CRT monitor next to the LCD and well-configured emulators from packs I can't mention in here is ideal, with maybe some Pentium and Glide machine with game discs for running late Win95-2000 era games and a cheap switchbox on the CRT would be an all-covering setup for every game they're likely to think of. Mildly costly, but a pre-built machine and any existing gaming PC would be all the machines needed.

  16. It's true making games run is part of the fun. I remember tweaking my 486 dx 33 to run Quake and GTA. Novadays the game itself needs to be fun

  17. Hmm, I shall have to go through my PC "retirement area" and see if I can rustle up a good retro build..
    Oldest I have is a 486DX4-100 VLB, about the next in power, is a small case P75 (OC 100) with built in S3 Trio on the motherboard.
    P233MMX (my old DOS/Win3.1 setup)
    Athlon 1000 – my old Win98 setup, abandoned as it stood when I got a P4-640 running XP
    Additional, Athlon XP and P4 with RDRAM, both were running XP
    A recent junk bundle got me a couple of AGP cards I once dreamed of, Geforce 4 4200 and Radeon 9800Pro

    Build target 1: Probably a decently powerful XP to run charity shop find games that I wouldn't trust to run in compatibility mode on Win10.
    I guess target 2 is revive my Win98 or Win3.1 nostalgia.
    Don't think I own any old speed critical games, the DX4 would make a fast DOS system.

    Kicking myself for not bagging the computer fair Voodoo AGP card, but by that time I thought the 3.3V AGP that would tie it to the Athlon 1000 would be limiting.

  18. honestly you would likely get mosost all the cd/dvd media running in win 10

    far as i knoiw for floppy xp was the last os to support both 3.5 &5.45 inch was xp..

    downside to xp you have no driver support for connect tv to use as a monitor

    686 would likely be the top end of the marke

  19. These kinds of videos inspired me to build my own PC for late 90s and early 2000s gaming. The cost of vintage parts is expensive, and I already had a bunch of parts lying around, so I decided to sacrifice some compatibility for a cheaper, newer machine. It has a Pentium 4 3.0 GHz, 512 MB of RAM, a Radeon 9200, and a Sound Blaster AudioPCI card, running Windows ME. I may grab a copy of Windows XP to try out as well.

    It's not perfect, and a few games run poorly or not at all, but I like it and it works pretty well for me. For DOS games that don't work natively on it, I run DOSBox, but on the machine itself. The irony of using DOSBox on DOS-based Windows is hardly lost on me.

  20. As much as I loved and miss the nostalgic feel of the past, I am perfectly fine with emulation even if it isn't authentic or always accurate. Sure I miss the beeps, boops, buzzes and drive noises etc but it would be a hassle nowadays.

    We used to have a 486 computer that I spent so much time on growing up, especially after my father got a computer with Win 95 and gave me the 486. Well time went on and it started to give me more issues as time passed. The thing basically became high maintenance and when I fixed one problem another would occur some time later so I said screw it.

    Hell even the parts became more expensive and harder to find as time went on which was the main reason I stopped. It became such a money sink and I couldn't really afford it back then with what little I was getting paid anyway.

    If someone not experienced gets into it nowadays then they better learn because it will require maintenance otherwise it will just became a huge paperweight. I'm all for authenticity but technology today has become so much more efficient and lasting without errors (Mostly), I don't miss it.

    I definitely do miss my XP desktop though, don't really recall what it's specs were as that was years ago but that's probably what I was happy with most. I basically was able to run most of my 95/98 compatible games on it, some with issues but were usually easily fixed. Then of course emulation for DOS but I was fine with it.

    Might have to build my dream machine for XP sometime, I'd be pretty happy with that.

  21. The kicker for me is that I once had a 486 dx/4. Sold it to my sister in my youth, and re-aquired it later on. But then I did the unforgivable, I got rid of it again. And now I regret it soo much.

  22. I used free to download and use, "mo-slo" or "Turbo" to slow down my PC's that were too fast for certain games. I downloaded those utilities in the early 2000's, i think you can still get those, some are for a small fee, they work great!


  24. Yeah you do have to commit to it but that's why I work on old computer's because it's always a adventure

  25. Oh man, The Incredible Machine on that Presario all-in-one really hit me right in the nostalgia. I wasted so many wonderful hours on that game

  26. Regarding early-to-mid 90s my go to PC is an ASUS L7200 laptop. It has a 233MHz Celeron CPU, which should be close in speed to a Pentium MMX, a Yamaha OPL3, both a CD and a Floppy drive, though the graphics chip is really bad without hardware 3D acceleration, so it really strueggels with 3D games like Tomb Raider. The resolution scaling is also an issue, but otherwise it's a reliable and sturdy laptop.

    For 3D I have a destkop Pentium MMX 200MHz with 64MB SDRAM, a Matrox Mystique, Voodoo 1 and a Sound Blaster AWE64. Really capable and has a wider range of games I can play because of the 3D support.

    For later times the PC I mostly use is a 933MHz Pentium 3 with 256MB RAM and a Radeon 8500LE, the sound is handled by the Abit VH6T motherboards integrated solution.

    The next step is a Pentium 4 3.0GHz for early and mid 2000s with 1GB DDR RAM and a Radeon X800 XT graphics card, audio is again integrated, but I'm planning to upgrade.

    The last one is the late 2000s with a Core2 Quad Q6600, 4GB RAM and a Geforce 8800 Ultra. I built it because I had most of the parts on hand and found a cheap 8800, but I don't use it that much since the games of that era are the same experience as on my daily driver.

    For pre-Pentium, I'm not that attached to that era, I have an AST Premium-II 486SX-20 upgraded with a Sound Blaster 2 Pro and a Compaq Contura 420C with a 486DX-50, but I don't spend much time with them. And also kept some other parts and PCs to play around with.

  27. I use a raspberry pi running DOSBox, and it works great. It emulates all kinds of different hardware. GREAT FRAMERATES TO!!

  28. I've been thinking about getting a Compaq Presario 2240 with Windows 95 like what they had at my old elementary school and a Dell Dimension 8400 with Windows XP Plus just like what we had in the kitchen when I was ten. Would those be considered good options?

  29. I have a Pentium 4 ht and am thinking about turning it into retro gaming pc wondering what parts recommended for it its a dell pre built

  30. I know I am almost 2 years late but I have 2 things to say.
    1 is I had to watch the whole thing to get to my favorite Gordon Freeman…I mean I love the Game Dungeon!
    2 lately I have been having a nostalgia kick where I want a retro computer slightly faster than my first PC (486SX), right around the DX4 but basically wondering about the "time machine" and with placing a vintage gfx card but I never thought about having to limit the CPU. I have an old i3 that i gutted for my current system but I could replace the parts I stole from it to do that. 🤔

  31. I was running a Pentium 3 server machine with dual CPUs. When needed I disabled one CPU and disabled cache that gave me something around 486 in terms of performance. It had Voodoo 2 in SLI so when I needed glide I used it when not I used Nvidia NVS 280 in a PCI (non-E) slot. Dual booting 98 and XP. All that in one PC gave me some room for older and "newer" games.

  32. I don't like having a lot of physical stuff … in general myself. I like my house to be mostly empty aside from essentials and a basic set of modern electronics things. So for me, it's emulation all the way. My computer is a tremendously tricked out, modern behemoth, so aside from the occasional struggle with downthrottling, there's precious little it can't work with. And while a rig like this was not cheap … it was cheaper than Clint's living museum of classic hardware. It's a cool collection, but man, I couldn't stand having all that taking up space. It is worth noting that I do feel a fond nostalgia for old hardware he shows and tricks out … and older. My first computer was a Commodore PET a hundred years ago. But yes, emulation suffices just fine for me. Is anyone else who prefers emulation, more into that solution for my reason? Hating a house full of things? I'm curious.

  33. I use Windows XP era Thinkpads, a T42p and T43. I didn't necessarily grow up playing on desktops, so I'm not all that picky on how they run the games, but mid to late 90s and XP games through 2005, is all I ever need! I use a dock connected to a CRT, Model M, PS/2 mouse, and speakers for the desktop experience. I love it. Surprisingly enough, they can run Oblivion, it's not great, or fast, but it is doable!

  34. Being 52, I suffered, I mean lived through all of these eras..Bought my first real PC in 1992 and it cost $2500! It was a 486-66 MHZ DX2 from ZEOS….In a huge server style full tower case…With a 15" crt and 16 megs of ram and IDK what hard drive, it was a beast…..But we were still on dial-up and I was logging into AOL at the time…Having a PC in those days, and having a normal job, it was expensive and frustrating to upgrade…No real internet at the time, so I learned most of what I needed to know through logic and trial and error and magazines…SO, for me emulation is fine…I owned a lot of the classics back in the day and have no interest or nostalgia for them….Except to own them via GOG.com...But, relative to my income at the time, everything was expensive! I just saw 2 used cars for sale today that cost LESS than my first "real" PC did 27 years ago!
    And so, despite thinking Clint is a bit mad, I've been watching his channel since IDK, maybe 2010? I really enjoy it and I am glad that he does what he does so I don't have to!

    Thanks Clint! And say hi to Kim for me please! 😉

  35. Wow, this is the Justice League of YouTube celebrities who don't make me want to stick a fist through my monitor.

  36. Dude! Vortex2! Has ANYTHING been made like A3D since then? Everythign else at the time (like EAX) just added reverb and stuff. And even surround sound just .. had sound come out of multiple speakers. A3D raytraced the audio bouncing off stuff, and then basically changed the latency for the left and right ear so if you were wearing headphones you got ultra realistic positioning. It blew me away and then .. was blown away by shittier tech.

    Similar to 3d film, which had non-anaglyph (red/cyan, for example) in 1922. Yes .. they were viewing ACTUAL 3d, filmed with ACTUAL 3D cameras in the 20's and .. we went to crap 3d after that, BRIEFLY had a few ACTUAL 3D films thanks to Avatar, aaaannndd…. now we have crap hybrid-layered cardboard looking 3d masquerading as real 3D, but thankfully using better glasses instead of the nightmare that is anaglyph. Hell, in a way you could say the 3D in the 1920s was better since it didn't take the brightness down since it used a rotery engine to alternate the frames that was synched to the projector in GLORIOUS LOW FRAME RATE BLACK AND WHITE. Talk crap and get .. well nothing no one cares about 3D movies and I blame the studios. Even if it's a 'gimmick' it stills should have been a gimmick that stuck because we never got to see how movie creators COULD use it instead of … using it to be like "WEOW! It looks like it flew out of the screen!" Why does everyone want that? … That's now how life works. If a knife flew out of the screen it's because it's in your head. You don't yell at windows for not displaying indoors. … Whatever, dum dums. Go back to your moogley poops and scootle dumps. I can dream!

  37. Is there any reason you can't have both MS-DOS an Windows 3.1 on your 486 machine? I had both on mine back in the day and could just boot into Windows from the Dos Prompt when I needed to.

  38. Nostalgia Nerd, you are doing something wrong Duke Nukem 3D struggles that badly on a 486DX4 with the tricked out specs you have. My guess is you need to upgrade your VGA card? Lower latency RAM? Also try running it at a lower resolution, and don't even bother trying to run it from anything other than straight from the DOS Prompt. It really should run better than that on that machine.

  39. Do you have any recommendations for the best possible VGA card for a 486DX4 system? I really want to get the best that I possibly can for it without spending too much. Any recommendations for specific cards or does it not matter?

  40. Look I know you all believe you are the retro masters of the DOS universe, Yet unless you have a DOS Dragon's Lair CD like Zeek
    You're nothing.

  41. the problem for me is resolution. it would be nice to find an amiga, 486 or super socket 7 mini itx board that utilizes a gpu for scaling up the resolution only, so that i can simply get a decent sized picture on my 27" 1080p 144hz monitor white still only running as fast as the processor. super socket 7 started to incorporate usb iirc, which adds that. however i doubt we'll see mini itx with any of the aforementioned considering how inefficient they (those old machines) are and how much real estate would be required to cram all the micro components necessary on such a small board. the next step is emulation, but that's boring.

  42. fantastic video LGR, before you had started I would have said that the 486 66 Mhz or the 100 Mhz was the best machine because it covered a cross-over period from Dos to to graphical I was glad to see that most agree but I guess that dos box for all it's trials and tribubulations is probably best – it does at least mean that we wil be playing these games in 20 years when the hardware has run out of steam.

  43. I got into Pc gaming back in the early 2000s, i don't have the room to build a computer to play those type of games on so I have old laptop that have Linux on it and use WINE lol xD

  44. Win XP laptop HP Pavilion ze2000. I use DosBox and source ports. Yamaha S-YXG50 WDM SoftSynthesizer or OPL3 emulation in Eternity Engine (amazing source port for Doom) with DMXOPL GENMIDI by sneakernets for MIDI. I would prefer desktop because CRT monitors are just the best, but i like laptop for being compact and silent.

  45. The thing that makes PC's great is also the reason why PC's are a pain, and that's the selection and upgradeability, the amount of manufacturers and choice of hardware it's amazing that anything works at all, the backward compatibility while great (it's amazing to thing that the basic CPU is what nearly 40 years old now) but it also stymies growth. If we could start with a fresh canvas the machine that could be made would probably be so much faster, cheaper and all round better, but then the lineage is what makes it so cool.

  46. It depends on what your about many people lean games if they do then dosbox is right for them. If their hardware people then go hardware route. Some people want both but don’t have the skills hardware wise. The answer around hardware lifecycle is stock. Time to put all those parts together is NOW. Yes of course their going to die answer have more parts and cases ready to go.

  47. Fantastic video! I've been struggling with this issue for a while.. so I've decided to just collect all time periods! My first computer was a 486 too my cousin built me for my birthday. I had The 7th Guest and there were some puzzles I could NEVER figure out. Lol
    Thanks for all that you do!!

  48. Mid to late 90s and early 2000's computing really is the issue, all in all. You can find all sorts of ways to emulate older programs accurately enough, and often it's a lot easier than fiddling with age-old hardware. But trying to use Windows 95 and Windows 98 programs in an accurate fashion is nightmarish. In those cases, I'd rather mess around with old hardware any day. Because at least when it's working as intended it''s, well, working as intended. Not "glitching out a bit and some things don't quite work but you're going to just have to lump it because there's no better way to emulate it."
    I hope that with the advent of RISC-V and open source components we can eventually get to the point where we can recreate the hardware for these older components in a cheap and easy fashion, good enough for any use case. I also imagine and hope that with the advent of the 64 bit Operating System and Windows 10 being "the final version of Windows" finding a way to just up and run programs from the beginning of the 64 bit era and beyond will be much easier moving forward, and we won't have as much of a limited time frame to use these programs.

  49. For those who interested in retro mobile gaming. Here's my setup:
    HP iPAQ hx 2700 series or blackberry for most Java games (since these games runs very slow on feature phones. Pocket PC is the best for gaming)
    iPhone 4S iOS 6 for iOS games range from 2008 – 2016

  50. My go to MS-DOS machine is actually an old P2-300 Toshiba Satellite (4025CDT to be precise). The graphics chip has windows 3.1 support, it runs great off a SD card, the screen is pretty good, and it has a genuine OPL3 chip on the internal ISA bus for DOS compatibility. I use Setlmult to disable the cache while in the system (or i can disable it through the BIOS) for those games that requires things to be toned down a bit. For DOS games that pace themselves, it works with everything on, and for older games, it runs somewhere near a 386DX 20 mhz with the cache disabled. Ultima 6 and Wing Commander works just about perfect with the cache disabled. Only downside is i don't have a game port…

  51. The thing that makes wine ideal is that when it's all said and done. Wine is not an emulator. It's a translation layer. So in a sense you're still running those decades old games on the machine.

    And the way wine works makes it so that games that had little respect for where they probably should or should not write files still work fine.

    Also consider that the wine team have spent the better part of several decades replicating obscure Windows kernel bugs that Microsoft has accidentally patched over time and it's no surprise its become a better Windows then Windows for some games.

    You can even grab some wine dll files in my experience to fix some performance problems in a set number of games running on newer versions of Windows like midtown madness.

  52. I've just watched this episode. For me, FPGAs are the next best thing. Instead of hoarding dozens of old computers (luckily I collect "only" 16-Bit Atari computer and i have a lot of them) i have a small but powerfull FPGA-System on my table (a Tersic DE10-nano acting as MiSTer-Board). Not perfect but it gets better and shows what modern technology can do

  53. I've had three of the computer pictured in the thumbnail. They were actually good machines except for the bizzare riser system they had.

  54. I LOVE the old original DOS games in the late 80's like Galaga, Space Invaders, Centipede, Ms Pac, Galaxian, Frogger and others but it's so difficult to make them run at the correct speed! They run so fast there's no way of playing them. I just saw an old IBM computer on Ebay, a 486 and it's 499 dollars! Other old 486 computers are not much lower than that, some go as high as $699! : O

  55. Quick comment on the display showing speed. It really does not do that, it shows what you told it to display based on jumpers. Some dishonest stores in the day were known to lie there, like having it show 50 when the real speed was 33.

    When I sold those cases, I always set them to show "HI" and "LO". That way I could throw in any speed CPU and it was correct.

  56. I have a bunch of SoundBlasters kicking around, most of them are the exact same SoundBlaster Live! ones, but the oldest and "worst" is a so-called PCI128. Is that a good one for a DOS system? – The box says it supports both DOS and Windows titles, but I'm just not sure if they mean when you run DOS-titles on Windows only, or if this thing also works on purely a DOS machine.

  57. But why would you want to go so overboard with controllers and configurations?… Well, not that "I don't get it", because I use things like the SpeedPad for MODERN games, using most keys and different layers and macros. But what more than the arrow keys, number keys, CTRL and Space and such do you need for things like DOOM?…

  58. I feel bad over the years I got rid of my PC's after I would update. I kept my 8-bit ones, but figured my stuff would be supported after I would upgrade which the newer stuff yes, the older stuff wouldn't be used so I wouldn't realize it till later. I will take this moment to remember my Zenith 286 with 2MB Ram, 30MB HDD, 16MHZ, VGA and SoundBlaster Basic, then my 586 133MHZ, 1.5GB HDD, 6x CD-Rom 3.5" and 5.25" Floppy, SoundBlaster AWE64, Image 128-VLB running Dos 6.22 and Win 3.11 also my first Internet capable machine. Then my AMD Athlon k6-2 300MHZ, All-In-Wonder 128pro, SoundBlaster Live, 8GB HDD, DVD reader, and CD-Burner 3.5" and 5.25" floppy drives, Windows 98. This was also my first high speed internet PC. However I still have my Athlon 2700+, 1GB, All-In-wonder Radeon 9700, LS-120 SuperDrive, Maxtor 250GB Ultra-133 drive Windows XP. I did upgrade it to 3GB and installed Win 7, but it wasn't the same and went back to XP. Today I am rocking intel i7 7700, 64GB, 1TB NVME, Geforce 1080. Sad thing is that is an upgrade from an old Core 2 with ATI 77700 and it just wasn't exciting. PC's pre-64 bit had different personalities. I could play a game on my PC, take it to a friends house and have a different playing experience because maybe they had Gravis sound, or Voodoo, or whatever that mad it different, but would still be lots of fun to catch differences.

  59. I consider this a timeless topic. Sadly games with floppies are more doomed if not converted to flash before the remaining drives die, or the floppy itself dies. Then what happens when optical drives aren't made anymore. I still prefer the higher end socket 7 and socket A hardware. I may be different, but when sound is concerned I like it fed to a home theater receiver by spdif if possible. I

  60. I wonder if there are people that like to use newer computers for old games so that they can speed run faster?

  61. At 12:19 what is the game in the background? I used to play it and I would like to find out what it was called. Thank you.

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